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Info on record breaking Douglas Skyray needed 4 years 3 months ago #60

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Gentlemen,

Hereby I forward a request from Keith Woodcock for information on record breaking Douglas Skyray. Can any of you help him?

Although an active modeller and IPMS member, I have been a full time aviation artist for over 30 years and find the IPMS to be an extremely good source of information on all aspects of aviation.

I intend exhibiting again next year in the USA (I am a Fellow of the American Society of Aviation Artists) and intend to produce a painting of the record breaking Douglas Skyray. I have managed to locate a film on the web which shows the actual event but the nose shows different schemes in different views. Has there ever been a definitive colour scheme drawing of this aircraft? Another point I have been trying to establish is the angle of the national insignia on the port upper wing as it seems to differ in service – sometimes at right angles to the fuselage, sometimes angled forward. The actual aircraft would seem to be white with red trim and black walkways and lettering but I can’t make out the circular logo on the fin. Any help would be very much appreciated.

The painting I intend doing will be somewhat different from my usual style, being more dynamic and impressionistic like the MC72 which I have attached. I have attached some other examples of my normal realistic style for comparison.

Strangely I don’t tend to model racing or record-breaking aircraft, although I do have a 1/32 Sea Fury which I am busy cropping the wings adding bubble hood, etc. I have tended to err towards German WW1 aircraft, probably because of their beautiful colour schemes!

Sorry to have to ask for assistance but I reckoned that you would be the man to know! I look forward to hearing from you – anything at all would be appreciated.

Best wishes

Keith
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Info on record breaking Douglas Skyray needed 4 years 2 months ago #68

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I wrote it in my reply mail but think I better leave my two cents here as well.

The colour of XF4D-1 SN124587 was over all white with red trim (nose flash, intake warning).
Leading edge and fin tip were black.
The wheel wells and U/C were initially a dark colour - I suppose gloss sea blue FS 15042.
Later the U/C was painted white. I found one picture on chinalakealumni org dated 3rd of November 1954 with white U/C legs. When the U/C was white the insides of the wheel well doors were red. I think the wells were still sea blue but I am not sure - they just still look very dark in the few pictures.

Upper wing star'n'bar was square to the fuselage. Underwing "NAVY" was slightly and star'n'bar stronger angled backwards.

I could not make out the circular logo on the fin myself but it is on all 50s pictures of #124587. In the 60s it was stripped to bare metal for a reason unknown to me.

AFAIK XF4D-1 Skyray BuNo 124587 still exists as an outdoor exhibit at China Lake Museum of Armament and Technology, China Lake, CA - but: Although it was repainted in the record livery the round logo is missing...

Cheers,
Rene
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Info on record breaking Douglas Skyray needed 3 years 10 months ago #86

Here are choice XF4D-1 links I've accumulated:

Modern day. Missing small black stripe around leading edge of intakes: A thread about the exhaust nozzles on the prototypes. Not sure if 124587 had this, but it's a slight difference from the production F4D-1s: Illustration from a book published in that era. This one is also missing the small black stripe around the intakes' leading edge: B/W, official-looking USAF photos: And possibly, a rare color one: A model, but a quite good one, esp. considering this was built from the rather bad Lindbergh, 1:48 kit: This shows the black stripe (in addition to the red) around the leading edge of the intakes, and has accurate paint detail on the forward pitot tube.

Looking forward to seeing your painting! Love the ones Axel posted.

Cheers,
Andy
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Info on record breaking Douglas Skyray needed 3 years 10 months ago #87

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Hi Andy,

thanks for the info. We should ask Paul Fisher to make this Skyray kit like the 1:32 he already made (Fisher models Douglas F4D-1 Skyray) :P
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